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30 July 2016 @ 09:55 pm
July Ask Me Anything Meme, Day 30 (July 30th)  
July 30th - In your opinion, what is an annoying trend in fandom that needs to stop? rogueslayer452

I'm not sure how to answer to this question. Like, do you mean a trend in a fandom of my choice that I think it needs to stop or just in general... If you mean in general then I'd say: People need to stop getting offended by anything and being rude. This is why I'm still here on LJ and I didn't jumped into tumblr (I have an account, but I rarely use it) there people are just too crazy sometimes... I only read nasty comments and people act like spoiled brat... They don't want to hear you if you don't agree with them. Here on LJ people have conversations, and even if 2 people don't agree on something, both of them get out of the conversation (not argument) with more informations and a clearer idea of the point of view of the other person.

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Renée: Elementary. Joan Watson.rogueslayer452 on July 30th, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC)
My least favorite fandom trend currently has been the policing of what people ship, and the whole "kink shaming" thing.

Whatever happened to the prospect of "Ship And Let Ship"? Whatever happened to the whole YKINMK/YMMV? People like different things, and unless someone is purposefully being a douchebag and bashing other ships or other people who don't like what they like, there is absolutely no reason to go around saying to other people that the pairing that they like/the kink that they like is wrong and that they're bad people for liking it. A lot of this goes hand-in-hand with shipping wars, but it's on another level than simply "my ship is better than yours" mentality. It's about telling others what they should or shouldn't like, and if you like something that they deem gross or problematic then you are also gross and problematic.

Just, the fact that now if you like something you have to provide an essay of the Right Things that this thing actually has to offer, and honestly it's pretty damn exhausting. Not everything in media is going to be 100% problematic-free, and even if it is filled with issues, sometimes people like what they like for different reasons. You shouldn't bash someone for that. Start a conversation about it, sure, because it's healthy to engage in critical thinking about something especially where media/fandom is concerned, but don't make assumptions or police others for it as a knee-jerk reaction.

Basically: like what you like, avoid the things that you don't (the classic "don't like, don't read"), don't engage with assholes or drama, and be kind to other people. That's it, that's the essential Golden Rule of Fandom.

I'm on Tumblr, and while I generally like it for what it is I also agree that it's not the right place for actual conversation and discussion to happen because of this very thing. Granted there is a good amount of decent discourse over there that I've found, but it often disappears into a void and drowned out by other people yelling at each other and it's gotten so ridiculous. Not that LJ wasn't as horrible back in the day (lord knows there were dozens of fandom wanks and dramas that happened in some fashion or another over the pettiest of things), but at least we have the option of choosing our privacy on our own journals when discussing something, or going into a community to have a thread conversation, etc. I'm all for having metas and discussions about something that needs to be addressed, and for actual conversations with people about it. But Tumblr unfortunately just isn't the right format of healthy discourse and debate, and it can become quite a hostile and toxic environment.

(Of course it all does depend on who you follow, since one's own Tumblr experience is about what they see on their dashboards everyday, and you can unfollow anyone at any given time which is why I still love using the site and enjoy it for what it is, but still, sometimes that toxicity can bleed into other people's reblogs.)
Ery-chanerychan86 on July 31st, 2016 01:26 pm (UTC)
I agree... This never ending shipping war is useless, and it has always been, but now you have to make very long post justifying to other people your choices and to get what in return? Just a rude shoer (if you're lucky) answer that basically says "no, you're wrong, I'm right, go fuc* yourself" and I'm so tired of this... I like dialogue, I like to know what you see that I don't see and discuss in civil terms...

This is not related just to ships though... You have to get ready to be assaulted if you like a character or a TV show or a movie... People today find just things to complain about and not in a constructive way... It makes them feel smarter... But since they're not that smart, when they encounter someone who has a point the only way they know how to answer is being nasty.

I know LJ was bad in the past (not that people moved and grew on tumblr) but the hate was there, in a comment to a post, you just had to leave it there, maybe answer to be polite, but the nice conversations were the majority and it was always a dialogue. On tumblr you reblog something and that's it. The majority of the posts (the written ones not the cute gifs and pictures) are about negative things... The people I follow is nice, but sometimes I look for a fandom and I then stay away for weeks because I don't need that hate/negativity in my life.

I miss the time fan were making website for actors and ships and there were forums and LJ all over the place, all well organized... Tumblr is quite a mess and stuff is difficult to find... But that's the place to go now... :(
Renée: Haven. Audrey Parker.rogueslayer452 on August 4th, 2016 05:57 pm (UTC)
You have to get ready to be assaulted if you like a character or a TV show or a movie... People today find just things to complain about and not in a constructive way... It makes them feel smarter...

Exactly. They just want to be part of the conversation, but just don't know how to engage appropriately or wisely, which unfortunately has become the common way of going about things, especially on Tumblr where misinformation and drama gets spread rather quickly. I think getting educated on particular issues is wonderful, but when you think you're an expert on the subject and try to tell others what they can or cannot enjoy, then you're crossing the line into policing which is not okay. And even if you try to engage in a debate with them, someone else jumps in and tries to take over. It's not a place for any kind of conversation, honestly. And believe me, I've tried, but I hardly ever write or talk to anyone over there like I do here. It's just not the appropriate platform, imho.

Tumblr is quite a mess and stuff is difficult to find... But that's the place to go now... :(

Interestingly, people are saying that Tumblr may be on its way out since the whole ownership thing (Yahoo having bought it, then it now being sold to Verizon, which has caused many problems with users since there have been changes to the site for some time, including the numerous of ads and the ones now invading people's individual Tumblrs, etc), but aside from that nobody knows where to go. I really want to draw people back to LiveJournal, because the only reason why it appears to be a ghost town is because everyone left for place like Tumblr. If we can get the conversation back here, with all the new fandoms and friends and thus more communities and iconmakers and whatnot, that would be absolutely wonderful.
Ery-chanerychan86 on August 4th, 2016 07:10 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree more with all you said!

I didn't know there were problems with tumblr... OMG I really hope something is going to happen...

I really want to draw people back to LiveJournal, because the only reason why it appears to be a ghost town is because everyone left for place like Tumblr. If we can get the conversation back here, with all the new fandoms and friends and thus more communities and iconmakers and whatnot, that would be absolutely wonderful.
And LJ looks so good, with all its awesome themes and people gets inspired to be more creative... Personally I always feel like I want to open up when I'm here and share all the things I love and all the things I can do...
rhoda_rants: buckyrhoda_rants on July 31st, 2016 02:24 pm (UTC)
LJ is definitely the best place to actually interact with people. Not that I've ever used Tumblr much, but the conversation threads there just get too long and difficult follow when they do happen, and it seems harder to moderate.

I like the way I can control who sees my posts here, and I'm very careful about who I add to the f'list. The ability to surround oneself with groovy people who won't bring drama to your favorite things is a definitely plus to this place.
Ery-chanerychan86 on August 4th, 2016 07:11 pm (UTC)
I totally agree! :)